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TITAN TASE
2002-01-15 05:39:18
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QUESTIONS,TIP,TACTICS,SUGGESTIONS,BUGS...
I made this topic because I have a lot to say about NT and not only and also I like to get yours opinions about what I' posting here so let's begin:
Thinghs that could be changed in the Score sistem for now:
1: The way in witch the min. score for an map is calculate is WRONG in my opinion and here is why:
for exemple a easy battle who has max score 75 has min score 45 so the player has to have after the 4 battle aprox 55% of his army alive(remember this is for a easy map)
-a hard map who has 125 points maximun score has the min score 95 whitch means tht the player has to keep alive after 4 battle at least aprox 80% of his army!!! (that in a hard map)
Conclusion: The easy fights are made more easier and the had ones are even harder.
Solution: Try to calculate the min score for a map kike beeing equal with 70% of max score or even a better idea try to calculate the min sccore like that:
Min score=max sscore*70% + (100-max score)*coef%where coef% could be let's say =20% .
In that way in a easy battle the player must have after the 4 battle something more than 70% of his army and viceversa for a hard battle.
PS:that modification I guess that will not interfer with the fact that "the machine is on".
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jOjO dwarf
2002-01-15 14:21:22
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Re: Another thinhg about scores
1° Fights InfXXX and NecXXX are in fact with NO maximum!
(because of skeletons and demons)
I remove the comments (too much units!)
I think, that you should read doc files about NT more carefully
go to the Arena and choose eng version
2° It's Your decision!
if you want to fight extra first, and THEN 5th regular fight, go on!
BUT please, carefully name your saves!!!
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TITAN TASE
2002-01-15 06:24:15
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Another thing about max scores(the real ones!)
It all started when I read about how JJ complete a map with castle losing 2 campions some griffins etc. so I took it like a provocation so here is the result:
I complete the CasFOR arena losing only 5-10 halebardiers!!! and that after all 8!!! battles,the hard one (who took me 3-4 hours )was against jOjO in his fortress town with all his spells(implosion prayer ch.litning...)
Than I sayd that I could do something more challenging:
NecFOR where the max score is 97 and I finished it with a score that seems to be immpossible:101 points!!! calculate with the NT calculator.
The explication is simple :I succeded losing only 1 Power Liches and 3-6 Wraits BUT I hat in the end and this is the thing I'm proud about :388 Skeletons Warriors witch make the my score be so big.
Here are 2 questions for the stuff:
1:What colour do I get on the ranking page?
and 2: I calculate the REAL max score for that map witch is 102(The lich is the difference from my 101)so maibe it would be a good idea to update the max score for that map.
PS:The max nr. of skeletons for thet map is 388 +32 witch I lost in the fourth battle but they didn't counted for the score so I did not load again so there are max 420 skl. after 4 battles! not aprox 170 in the begining.,
That 420 is because I got expert necromancy after first battle!
Ups I just saw that there are anothers who got an over max score on that map:Guinea ,Martinez,Kociamber so all my respect to them and I guess You will have to decid esomething about max scores for necro and also for inferno
where I succeded to transform all the imps and magogs into demons having 98! demons after 4 battles but I have lost # pit lords so my score is again 2-3 points over the max score(88 or 89 I think compared with 86 max),that for the InfFOR arena so again apears the problem of the REAL MAX SCORE!
I'll be posting some ionteresting qthings in some days agan.
I almoust forgot to ask you another "stange" question :
Does it matters if in the case of CasFOR my battle against jOjO was after the other 3 against gelu mutare and gelu???
Because after my 4 battles I always lose some Archangesl in the asedium of the fortress town and because of that I decided first to have the other 3 extra fights and then with a more powerful hero to try again against jOjO.
I hope that is regulamentar becuse you sayd in the description that the extra batttles are done IN ORDER CHOSEN BY THE PLAYER wright?
Anyway I' wayting for your ansswer to know what to do:send the mail in that version or try to have the jOjO battle after the first 4 battles.
until again :All my repects to you!
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TITAN TASE
2002-01-15 08:04:16
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Some tips(actually they are more bug's than tips)
I tghout that I knew all about heroes3 until this NT but it seems I'm wrong so I decided to shou you some new things that I discovered during my battles(especially in CasFOR arena) so here they are:
1:The towers from the castle are doing damage directly proportional with the number of the buildings that are in that town,that's why in owr case they are doing aprox half of the damage we all are used to see.
It might have been a good idea to build some more buildings even if they doesn't hep the defender but only to increase the towers damage!
2:The Campions are NOT doing the justing damage kike in h3 help says(5%*nr of hexes he walk until his target)but that bonus is calculate taking in consideration
ONLY THE DISTANCE BETWIN WHERE HE WAS AND WHERE HE HITS HI OPPONENT so if you taking a long road with them you might be surprized that the bonus is not that big.
Conclusion:Try to get only the distance at maximum lenght not the road!
3:How to make a FRENZY SPELL LAST 2!!! ROUNDS?
Simple,for exemple I had 1halebardier and 11 Archangels in my battle against jOjO in the fortress town:
I pressed wait button when the Arch. had their turn then he moved some of his troops and when It came my halebardier's turn I cast frenzy on Arch. then I flight in the town with my Arch(with frenzy on them) and then the second round began when I My Arch. still have frenzy on them ,I hit again but the frenzy last until the 3-rd round when The Arch. moved again this time without frenzy!
(The problem was that I remained with only 3 of them at the begining of 3-rd round because in the 2 round all of his troups (except of hydras on witch I cast Blind) hit my Arch. who were having 0!!defence(because frenzy)).
4:The number of skeletons received after a battle is considerable bigger if they are only skeletons not Skel.Warriors.
For exemple in my NecFOR battle If I was kepping on my main hero the Skel.Warr. I got 15 Skel. Warr.but when I left them with the squire I got 23 of SKELETONS.
I'm waiting to hear your oppinions about these tips(or bugs?) and some others you might descovered during these NT and not only!
PS:How do I delete my second reply because is the same one with the 3-rd?
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Raistlin
2002-01-16 03:49:19
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Some sidenotes
These are just my personal comments
1) Yep - but with more buildings the player would also be able to use these buildings.
2) Actually the champions DO extra damage based on the travelled distance - BUT the damage noted in the "damage" info box is calculated based on the difference just as you mention! (There were some debate concerning this subject at the 3DO board some time ago).
3) Yes - there are a bug there. There is also some strange things with berserk (not always working and sometimes - though rarely - functional for more than one round) - perhaps others could clarify this.
4) Yep (also noted in the manual as far as I recall) - only 2/3 of the max. number are raised as Skel. Warriors if no free troop space is available
Raistlin
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jOjO dwarf
2002-01-15 14:11:11
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Re: QUESTIONS,TIP,TACTICS,SUGGESTIONS,BUGS...
PS:that modification I guess that will not interfer with the fact that "the machine is on".
of course not!
it's only 200 (and about 50 newest) saves to recalculate ;)
we are very happy to do it again!
great idea!!! thx!
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TITAN TASE
2002-01-16 04:45:44
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THANKS FOR THE ANSWERS
thanks for the answer and I just wait to see the new update for the scores.By
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Colon
2002-01-16 07:06:25
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The scores
It seems to me you have not read carefully how the minimum score level (which would still give you a title) is calculated. The minimum score level (calculated as max score-30 points) gives you just the certainty that you will never loose your title (and if you consider yourself a good player you will aim at this level). Still, in the dificult scenarios you could be a Master well below this level (provided that your score is not lower than 30 points from the best registered score). In my opinion this is a lot. So that the difficulty level is not nearly that high as you suggested.
True, there is no max score in Inferno and Necropolis (the levels were just given as an indication),
Besides, judging the difficulty level by Castle is misleading as this is by far the most powerful fraction (therefore recomended for beginners). If I remember well the beta-testers were able to complete all Castle scenarios with maximum score.
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Beltion
2002-01-16 15:10:28
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Re: bugs/tips
1) The arrow towers. Yes, they do more damage if you have a better built town. But it would be a rare situation where they could turn a tide. So if you build a structure you might just be giving your opponent a free structure.
2) What Raistlin says is true, the info in the damage box is calculated by distance, the actual damage done is calculated by movement. Try casting a force field infront of blessed champions, they will do more damage. And this is not a bug, it's a knowingly added feature. Recalculating the damage range every time you move the cursor would really degrade performance on slower computers.
3) The manual states that Frenzy lasts untill "next action" you might have experienced some glitch related to that.
As for Berserk, I have never encountered any bugs. Keep in mind that it is a mind spell and thus some units like Titans and undead are immune to it.
5) Deletions. You ask a moderator to delete the post. (I did.)
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TITAN TASE
2002-01-17 02:18:15
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Ok You are wright!
As I said those were my personals comments about Heroes3
but I'd like to thank you all for answering me and shoing yours points of view about all i write.
Another thing ,as you should probbably know,what about the 2 spells cast in a round in a battle?
I understand that that bug was corrected in version 3.2 of the SOD but whed I try to upgrate my version tht patch did not worked so i went to some friends of mine and got only the heroes3.exe file (the 3.2 version) and overrwriting my own.
But surprize!That bug was fixed but there waz a lot more(5-10)new ones like :
1:I could not learn all the spells from my mage guild(sometimes my hero was exp winsdom and exp. earth but ihe could not learn SLOW from the mage guild level 1!!!)
2:I got one time Armaggedon's Blade(the artifact not the game) but i could not cast it!!
3:I was sealing with Sylvia and "from the sky" I saw one day tht he was equipped with the Armor of the Dammed but There was no event in tht map who could give me that(I verified that in the editor)
4...
So I decided to remain with my old version!
I was nedded for the 3.2 one because I had to teatch omeone a lesson of fair play (I never use 2 spells in a battle but some others (not very good players)from my school are and tht is why I never told them about your NT:It's only for gentllemens in my oppinion).
Anyway your 3.2 version works well?
Good luck in your battles and see you again in the forum.
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TITAN TASE
2002-01-17 02:35:35
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question
How do I choose the eng vesrion on the arena?arena.heroes.net.pl/ gives me no button to press on to have eng version.There are 4 pictures and one STAT4U button but no one is the eng version!
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lopez
2002-01-17 04:09:59
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Re: question
Click on the american flag below the header, or just type:
arena.heroes.net.pl/eng/index.html
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Fiur
2002-01-17 15:45:32
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well.....
www.h3trio.com link's to the Arena is'nt up to date 
try this one...... :
arena.heroes.net.pl/eng/index22.htm
And one more thing (to jOjO or Rastlin)... the Image of any "Title" don't show up
this one:
arena.heroes.net.pl/eng/images/mcon.gif
and this one:
arena.heroes.net.pl/eng/images/mcas.gif
just a note.....
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jOjO dwarf
2002-01-17 17:13:43
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Re: well.....
thx a lot!
I'll try (with great chance for success ;) ) to remove this problem with next update!
thx (and please inform us about other problems!)
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TITAN TASE
2002-01-18 03:59:01
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about reading the whole mesages...
jOjO, you were talking to Fiur about reading all the mesages(also with Ignam) but may I say that I think you also do not read all the messages.Don't take me wrong but did you read my "Ok you are wright"message?(because I think if you readed you would have give me an answer (even a little one)).
But I apreciate a lot that you read and reply to owr mesages very quickly (It means a lot to me).
And yes I'm from Romania,from Iasi.If I remember well I visited your country 5-6 years ago bul only for a little time because we had to visit a big part of Europe in 2 weeks.
Anyway, you ,the staff,are from the same city or just talking to eatch other by net., phone etc?
One more thing before I go :Thanks for the link to the arena(on h3trio site I could see only the results from 5 january'02) but I have a little question  id you or Raistlin receved at least ONE of my saves?(I send almoust 20-25(some before 13 jan) and I still do not see me there) so I guess I'll wait for the next update and then I will send them using Yahoo mail(That M$ outlook I guess it was not configurated corrected).
Be Loved!
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jOjO dwarf
2002-01-18 04:16:47
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Re: about reading the whole mesages...
sorry, it was bad day ;))
now, all is clear ;)))
We are all from whole Poland and someones are from abroad ;)))
net is the power!
Wait till tomorrow ;) I heard from Rastlin, that he has many saves (and many for second time ;) )
Let's give him a chance ;)))
;))) is today a good day? ;)))
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Rastlin Arch
2002-01-18 13:03:33
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Re: about reading the whole mesages...
I did not receive no's your record.;( If you can send once again.
Ps. My ang is exceptionally weak;( I will try to answer myself onto questions- if they have to be to me I ask squeal straight language. With reading it goes me better.
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TITAN TASE
2002-01-19 02:46:44
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I will send them again one for eatch email
Thanks for the answer,I will send some today(3-4 only) and
I will only use My yahoo account because That M$ program I used the first time loks like is a big BUG of Bill Gates(I hate him for that :I lost at least 5-7 hours in sending those e-mails).
I guess it is not neccesary to pack my last save to .zip because it is alredy packed by Heroes3.
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TITAN TASE
2002-01-20 02:43:32
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By,By for a while
Tomorrow I will begin the period of exams witch will last 3 weeks so I will not be able to talk to you all because the laboratoires from where I have acces on the NET will be used for the exams and the NET will be closed in that period.
I will try only to send some saves from a friend of mine an look from time to time for the update in scores.
Untill then GOOD BY!
One more tip before I go:
When you fight a garnizon in a castle (for exemple the south east castle from eatch arena) you can block the gate in a simple way so that the troops can not get out from their castle(this strategy is very good especially if the defender is fortress,stronghold,rampart).
The way in witch you can block the gate is:
move one of your stacks right in front of the gate.The result is that the gate remain closed.
An even more good idea that I used in CasFOR is that I attacked the castle with 11 Arch... and 1!!!pickeman witch had the job to go in front of the gate and die there(in the boiling oil).The interesting thing(I discovered it in a funny situatin but that I'll tell you some other time) is that THE GATE REMAINED CLOSED EVEN WHEN THE TROOP IN FRONT OF HER IS DEAD!.It can be opened only with ballista when the gate is actually destroyed but until then there are like 10 rounds for the ballista to destroy the walls first and then the gate so is plany of time to defeate him.
All the best to you and good luck in your arenas!
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